Pasted as rich text. A wadcutter, on the other hand, because of the flat front and hard right angle, it does to soft tissue kind of what it does to paper — it punches a sharp hole that’s a lot more disruptive than a round nose. The round nose normally feeds better. A wadcutter, on the other hand, because of the flat front and hard right angle, it does to soft tissue kind of what it does to paper — it punches a sharp hole that’s a lot more disruptive than a round nose. currently run BBI 230gr run for the past 12k with no issueswith great accuracy and on my last 8k of the old Tennessee Cartridge company lead bullets. I am new to 1911 pistols, but not new to loading ammo. Can't help on WST as I haven't used it for a long, long time.   You cannot paste images directly. The most basic full metal jacket bullet is lead coated in copper. I also have used 3.8 n310 behind the same bullet. Paul tests the effectiveness of semi wadcutter hollow points. . 30,377 Posts #21 • Apr 11, 2014. T. DISCLAIMER: All information posted by horsesoldier03 is strickly MY HUMBLE OPINION! Obviously the general consensus is that anything is more accurate than a common round nose bullet. Even though the wadcutter doesn’t actually expand, it … I had a great conversation with a ballistic engineer at a boutique bullet company, which specializes in round nose and semi-spitzer bullets. The semi-jacketed soft point (SJSP) is another hollow point alternative bullet – with an exposed lead soft point that gives very reliable expansion on impact, along with deeper penetration than your average hollow point.. You can usually find the semi-jacketed soft point with a copper jacket of various lengths and thickness to go with a lead core. Makes about 170 power factor. Full wadcutters frequently have problems feeding from magazines reliably in semi-automatics, so SWCs … I do both, LRN in 230gr and LSWC in 200gr no problems, my colt gov likes the 230's and my colt commander likes the 200's very well. Are they feeding more consistently than SWCs? A semi wadcutter has a stepped shoulder for cutting nice clean holes in paper. Wadcutters are so much fun to shoot in .38 Special, and the accuracy will make you look really good too! The last 1500 or so rounds I've used have been coated 200g RN FB from Ibejiheads and they've been flawless Page 1 of 2 1 2 Next > Jamesmb Member. If you need self-defense or hunting ammo, wadcutters may not be the most suitable option. The full jacket is made for ogival-type bullets (no shoulder). by JayhawkNavy02 on Thu May 11, 2017 8:30 pm. March 12, 2018 in 44/45 Caliber. Someone mentioned handloading a HBWC backwards. A round nose with a flat point (RNFP) is intended for lever guns or other guns with a tubular magazine. Thank you for your patience and understanding. Brinell hardness of 17 — round-nose semi-wadcutter. Note: a good L-SWC is about the MOST accurate bullet you will find. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Refine by Bullet Style: Lead Semi-Wadcutter Hollow Point Lead Wadcutter. By jwilkinson6, March 12, 2018 in 44/45 Caliber. Jacketed work fine. Semi-Wadcutter Shapes Wadcutter Shapes Button Nose has a slight nose, Target Wadcutter has a depressed ring and is flat across. By Semi-Wadcutter (SWC) The semi-wadcutter is a variation on the wadcutter. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Photo by D.R. I bought 4K of Montana Gold 6 years ago, but I was not real impressed.. Rainer and Delta 230gr HP gave the very best accuracy, but is cost prohibitive for me even for major matches.. OAL 1.250/1.252 crimp is at.469 all the time.. A semi wadcutter has a stepped shoulder for cutting nice clean holes in paper. JohnKSa Moderator Staff Member. Round nose bullets penetrate wonderfully. If you want to stay with 200gr, switch to truncated cone bullets for better feeding. The round nose design is the oldest design. They take many different forms depending on the manufacturer, but they basically look like a short cylinder with a smaller cylinder sitting on top, which can be angled inward. The semi-jacketed soft point (SJSP) is another hollow point alternative bullet – with an exposed lead soft point that gives very reliable expansion on impact, along with deeper penetration than your average hollow point.. You can usually find the semi-jacketed soft point with a copper jacket of various lengths and thickness to go with a lead core. I had issues with the 200swc feeding reliably, switched to the 230rn and haven't had any more issues. 168.84 PF and a nice shooting load. I would say round nose can be a little more forgiving on feeding than LSWC. Shop safe now and find a good deal with reviews - no coupon codes required. … I've used both and had no issues with either. Jump to Latest Follow ... Winchester is using their 9mm 124 grain round nose fmj -- same exact fmj you can buy in 100 packs. Another installment of .32 H&R Mag VS .38 Special in snub nose revolvers and today I have the Federal Lead Semi-Wadcutter ammunition. LRN = Lead Round Nose = Blei-Rundkopfgeschoss, ohne Mantel LSWC = Lead Semi Wadcutter = Bleigeschoss, ohne Mantel in Semi Wadcutter-Form (s. SWC) LWC = Lead Wadcutter = Bleizylinder, meist mit … Round Nose vs Semi Wadcutter -- accuracy. Buy the best cheap tobacco-free Semi-Wadcutter SWC Ammo products online. I shoot and rotate out 3 Baers and none have reliably ran 185/200WC. A semi-wadcutter bullet was also the basis for the famous “FBI load” – a 158 grain lead semi-wadcutter bullet, that deleted the flat nose in favor of a hollow point. Refine by Bullet Style: Magnum Tip Soft Point Open Tip Match. . Come join the discussion about optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! A round nose with a flat point (RNFP) is intended for lever guns or other guns with a tubular magazine. Refine by Bullet Style: Lead Wadcutter Magnum Tip Soft Point. First off, is there a difference in accuracy, feed reliability, or anything else in shooting a round nose verses a Semi wad (both of these in lead like betterbullets.com) Also, is there any real difference in shooting lead versus shooting plated FMJ? Clear editor. With lead SWC, I sometimes felt that the feeding was a little rough, when racking the slide. Thus, you have a huge, clean wound channel. A good FMJ-RN is often the most inaccurate bullet you will find. You can reload and shoot both very well. I run 3.9 g of Clays behind a 230 rn SNS coated bullet. Bullseye shooters also use semi-wadcutters in semi-automatic pistols. I suspect the reason is a well defined bearing surface. Maybe you just like to go out on a weekend and shoot the “Guns that Won the West” or that your favorite TV and movie cowboy heroes toted. A wadcutter is a special-purpose flat-fronted bullet ... although this is not always the case as some wadcutters may have rounded bullet nose profiles. When used for a semi-wadcutter style, the full jacket makes only the heaviest weights. It’s typically favored in .38 snub-nose style revolvers. less to start.) Even though the wadcutter doesn’t actually expand, it tends to penetrate soft tissue very reliably. Refine by Bullet Style: Open Tip Match Plastic Training Bullet. Meanwhile, it is well know in 45acp that the H&G #68 200 grain (and similar cast lead bullets in 185 grain) also win championships. is there a difference in inherent accuracy? The 1911 Magazine Design: The Wadcutter Magazine. For the most part I prefer the midweight bullets in my handguns. BrianEnos.com If you're having trouble with the SWC's feeding, RN's should definitely help. I shoot a lot of clays. My reloads in other guns may very just a bit, but not much. Refine by Product Family: DeepCurl Handgun Hunting I get better accuracy out of them and they feed well in all my 1911's. Thread Status: Not open for further replies. 38 Special Factory 158gr Lead Semi-Wadcutter or Lead Round Nose For Distinguished Revolver. Semi-wadcutters are a cross between traditional lead round nose and the full wadcutter. I will be using them strictly for target shooting and wasn't sure whether there was a real difference in performace or ease of loading between the two. or a hollowpoint which fails to expand. Wadcutters are designed to make nice, round holes in targets for ease of scoring. Some autoloaders may benefit from this design.   Your previous content has been restored. You can post now and register later. Clays and 231 have both worked well for me. Maybe you’re involved with formal, sanctioning organizations for Cowboy Action shooting. Use the pencil analogy vs paper punch and you'll understand. I never been able to get SWC to feed reliabily in my 1911. Refine by Bullet Style: Plastic Training Bullet Semi-Spitzer Soft Point. I will be using Unique powder and working up some loads as soon as my dies get here. I have about 2k of Rainier 200WC and 1500 185 HP that I want to retry again along with 5K of 185WC lead left over from bullseye shooting and some various 10 to 12lb recoil springs.I do run at times 200rn Rainier jacketed and no issues. Flat nosed bullets are surprisingly good penetrators, and they tend to make a bigger hole as well. The 3/4-jacket covers nearly the entire shank, leaving the nose exposed. The true Keith style is a SWC with a flat base, large square bottom lube grooves and a large crimp groove. However as a couple other members pointed out I've switched over to the RNFP in 200gr. It will penetrate deep and cut a large round hole. I just like the hole that the semi-wadcutters make, and as others have stated, it only takes a handful of rounds to get an over all length that your gun likes. 200 LSWC using H&G #68 mold is a super reliable projectile in all of my 45 ACP handguns. That's what a local shop has had in stock. These rounds offer better ballistic performance (less drag) than wadcutters, still punch nice holes in paper targets, and can be fed by automatic pistols in most cases. Round Nose vs Semi Wadcutter -- accuracy Reloading Bench. The 41 was 210 grain semi wad cutter and the 45 was 250 round nose. Keith-Style SWC with one crimping groove and one filled lubrication groove. I have one pistol that will not reliably feed LSWC's of any make and have to use round nose or lrnfp. I try to stay away from the mess I used to get with a variety of bare lead bullets. For decades the .45 ACP performed admirably with nothing more than a FMJ—a round that does not expand at all and is certainly inferior to a good semi-wadcutter. Many people sense that I have nothing but disdain for the “Wadcutter” type magazine. These 230-grain projectiles are then loaded to an average chamber pressure of about 21,000 psi, at a nominal muzzle velocity of between 800 and 900 fps. 1; 2; Next. 1.250" seems to be the most popular length. Upload or insert images from URL. My rifle doesn't do well well with round nose but semi wadcutter is nice and smooth especially in 357. easier to make PF? First off, is there a difference in accuracy, feed reliability, or anything else in shooting a round nose verses a Semi wad (both of these in lead like betterbullets.com) Also, is there any real difference in shooting lead versus shooting plated FMJ? The round nose design is the oldest design. Comes to .45acp and you have to deal with magazines and feeding issues. But it sure is accurate. The TCCbullets smoke pretty good with all powders, but are really accurate.. If your gun will feed them, I think they're the better choice. A semiwadcutter (SWC) or flat-nose is a type of all-purpose bullet commonly used in revolvers. Round Nose Design = Cast Bullets’ Bad Reputation. Round Nose vs Semi Wadcutter -- accuracy. The wound channel might be .357, but the edges will close over. If God had intended autopistols to be double action, or plastic, He would have had John Moses Browning design it that way in the first place. JavaScript is disabled. And would actually be preferred in the home over a full house .357 mag round. some other advantage I haven't thought of.. Where to find brands like Atomic, Axxess, Buffalo Bore, Federal, Fiocchi, Great Lakes, HSM, Jamison Ammo, Magtech, PPU Prvi Partizan, and Remington. Normally wad cutters are loaded a bit softer and are easier to shoot due to the lower recoil and blast. 200gn is a pleasure all day long. Joined: Jan 1, 2003 Messages: 16,364 Location: DFW Area. This round is not in any category above, but is a very effective round for self-defense. A forum community dedicated to all 1911 firearm owners and enthusiasts. In my experience, accuracy is about the same. Before there was Polymer there was Accuracy. I've been using copper plated 230gr RN bullets from H&N (of Germany). Tiro Fijo said:.38 SWC and Keith SWC are NOT the same. It was earth-shattering in 1898, when invented, but even before WWII we knew better. Jump to Latest Follow 1 - 20 of 35 Posts. Every company has their own manufacturer that does things their own way, which results in a number of different name brands and ammo lines to choose from. I fell in love with lswc's so long ago I don't even remember what a roundnose looks like. The wider the better and this is a feature that the semi-wadcutter shares with the hollow point in … In fact, I shot the Bianchi Cup with a Colt 1911 firing 145 grain full metal jacket semi-wadcutters in 2013. Page 2 of 2 [ 18 posts ] Go to page Previous 1, 2 Previous topic | Next topic : Author Message; DGW1949 Post subject: Re: Bullet shape: Round nose vs semi wad cutter. Though full wadcutter bullets are often unreliable in semi-automatic pistols, semi-wadcutter bullets usually work much better. So why do folks use SWC … Both gun's have 7 1/2 inch barrels. Joined: Oct 28, 2007 Messages: 104. Both poly coated. My rifle doesn't do well well with round nose but semi wadcutter is nice and smooth especially in 357.   Your link has been automatically embedded. A “wadcutter” is a cylindrical bullet with a flat, square nose. economics (price), though this seems kind of a slim thing if any. Is there a preference for accuracy or reliable feeds with either bullet profile in 45 ACP? But, there are other considerations:  the crimp, OAL, etc. Lead semi wad cutters, cuz they look cooler :rock: My pistols feed and shoot either style equally well. As far as my safety concern, I dug out the owners manual and here is what it states "Warning, some pointed and full metal jacketed round nose bullets can chain fire other cartridges in a tubular magazine during recoil causing damage to the firearm and potentially serious injury or death. 25 yard pistol range. Arthritis in wrists. The slow velocity of the wadcutter bullet reduces the recoil significantly, hence is suitable for people learning the shooting basics. I'm interested in the "flat nose vs. Which bullets/loads are you guys using to make major in your single stack guns? I am using ACME's 230 no groove coated RN's with 3.9 of Ramshot Competition loaded to 1.250 OAL. Think about the 38special full wadcutter. Semi-Wadcutters Bullet jacket lengths are relative to the lead coverage on typical pistol bullets. Many thi… Lead Semi-Wadcutter Hollow Point. This bullet has a cylindrical body with a shoulder, and a flat point on the tip. The SWC combines features of the traditional round-nosed bullets and the wadcutter bullets used in target shooting, and is used in both revolver and pistol cartridges for hunting, target shooting and plinking. They take many different forms depending on the manufacturer, but they basically look like a short cylinder with a smaller cylinder sitting on top, which can be angled inward. The long surface of these bullets kept them going straight (to simplify). In practice, the bullet can be crimped over the leading band, or on the crimping groove, as desired. (WC= WadCutter, SWC= Semi-WadCutter, HP= Hollow Point, RN= Round Nose), SP=Soft Point (JHP= Jacketed Hollow Point and if GC indicated, means Gas Check at bottom of lead bullet) Loads for .45 ACP: Photo from Mark Curtis New 2012 note on .45 ACP cases using small pistol primers vs. the large pistol primers. Are wadcutter bullets lethal like round nose bullets? Cowboy Action. Yes, I know, for most reliable feeding I should just stay with RN or TC... And for that matter, how many grains of WST to stay comfortably in Major PF? In my experience LSWC has always been more accurate. Wadcutters can be an effective defense load too, for the wound channel does not immediately begin to close up like with a round nose bullet . I am just starting to reload for my XD9 and I have a question about the difference, if any, between using flat nose (semi-wadcutter) or round nose bullets. Therefore I need to pick up some factory ammunition to take to Perry. (WC= WadCutter, SWC= Semi-WadCutter, HP= Hollow Point, RN= Round Nose), (JHP= Jacketed Hollow Point and if GC indicated, means Gas Check at bottom of lead bullet) Loads for .38 special: (Note: These are near maximum loads (in some cases ARE MAXIMUM), you should use 10%. Types of firearm wadcutters. Moderators: flatgate, Moderators. 200 vs 230 is the same thoughts as 125 vs147 in 9mm. Never had a malfunction with this load, feeds great, soft recoil, accurate and clean shooting. Bullet shape: Round nose vs semi wad cutter. Round nose is range and casual target use, military use according to the 1899 Hague Convention and if you are in New Jersey where hollow points are illegal. 38 CAL Hard Cast Lead Reloading Bullets. The Federal Gold Medal 38 Special Wadcutter Match is a target load that is known for mild recoil, exceptional accuracy, and leaving perfect round circles in paper targets. Four .38 Specials pose for comparison; (l.-r.) jacketed hollow point, lead round nose, lead semi-wadcutter and full wadcutter. The 45 Colt just grouped tighter and seemed to be more accurate. Share Followers 0. Since there's no lube ring on these coated ones, they can be loaded to longer OALs - does anyone have a recommendation on OAL for best feeding/chambering? Both loads had Uniquie powder. Wadcutters can clearly cut the line of a higher scoring ring and in a sport where matches are won or lost by a single point, this matters. I'd love to use SWC but they don't want to cycle (reliably) in my Large Frame EAA Witness. Shop our vast selection and save! depends. wadcutter vs. semi-wadcutter. Factory wadcutters are typically loaded to lower velocities and pressures to reduce recoil. Hawkeye: Joined: Sun Apr 10, 2005 7:01 am Posts: 8068 Location: Texas Kevin wrote: DGW1949. Internet buzz suggested this load may be a good candidate for personal defense because the bullet has a flat nose and sharp shoulders. Only if you see more than one load, is it less than maximum. Refine by Bullet Style: Lead Semi-Wadcutter Hollow Point Lead Wadcutter. Two inches, single action, 25 yards, with Critical Defense 110-grain FTX bullets. jwilkinson6, Gman  i had the same issues with one of my Baers , but just recently switched to 185 zero bullets  in the cast swc  the 185 jacketed hollow points and 185 SWCHP some far no issues. I have been using coated 200gr SWCs for awhile, but I think I want to try some 230gr RN bullets. I don't have any problems with round nose or hollow point of any flavor. Refine by Bullet Style: Lead Wadcutter ... Copper Plated Round Nose CPRN DeepCurl Handgun Hunting. × Four .38 Specials pose for comparison; (l.-r.) jacketed hollow point, lead round nose, lead semi-wadcutter and full wadcutter. With the .45 Colt for … Semi Wadcutter vs Round Nose Semi Wadcutter vs Round Nose. round nose vs semi wadcutter: preferences - why? Semi-Wadcutter (SWC) This type of bullet has a blunted tip. Counting the holes becomes a daunting task. On the other hand, SWC bullets can maintain high accuracy at ranges exceeding 100 yards. The edge from the bottom cylinder leaves a clean hole in paper, but it won’t be as defined as a full wadcutter. have been wondering what if any advantage(s), perceived or otherwise, there are to a 200gr Semi-Wadcutter over a 230gr round nose bullets in .45acp. As you can see in the photo below, there is a dramatic difference in the size and shape of the holes that the .38 Special wadcutter bullets make in a paper target compared to a regular round nose full metal jacket round. In contrast, flat-front profile wadcutters tend to have … The wadcutter magazine is an excellent design…for what it was designed for. I suppose that’s partly my fault, but it’s actually not true. If you want to call it a SWC or a WNFP is purely up to you, and if you have some particular meplat design that you want to use as your definition of one vs. the other, that's OK but without a universally accepted definition. There is a difference. I had a 19-5 S & W and tried some reloaded wadcutters I had bought from master cast. Display as a link instead, × 148 gn. Free shipping over $20, new in box. However, if I could get a much better pricing deal on LRN, I wouldn't hesitate to grab them of LSWC. The original load, a lead round-nose 158-grain bullet, was marginal as a stopper. I like lswc I've been casting a lot of lyman # 452630 lately.